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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII by A. D'Hautcourt</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/31/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vii/#comment-5463</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Paul, 
I find very interesting your idea to connect the transport of an inscription to the reorganization of the Isthmian games.
Apparently the discussion you mentioned in comment 2 turns around the inscription Corinth 8,3 153, particularly for its dating around l. 1:
[L(ucio) Castricio]
[․ f(ilio) {²tribu}² Regulo],
[aedili, praef(ecto) i(ure) d(icundo), II]vir(o) eṭ [IIvir(o)]
[quinquennal(i)], ạgonothete Tiḅ-
5 [ereon Caesar]eon Sebasteon et
[agonothete I]sthmion et Caesar-
[eon, qui Isthm]ia ad Isthmum egit
[primus sub cura]m Col(oniae) Laud(is) Iul(iae) Cor(inthensis),
[carmina ad Iulia]m diva[m Au]g(ustam) virgi-
10 [numque certame]n insṭịṭụịṭ [e]t omnib-
[us aedificiis Cae]sareon novatis co-
[— — — — — — —]ṭo peregit epulumq(ue)
[omnibus co]lonis dedit.
[fil(ius) L(uci) Castri]c̣ius Reg̣ụlus
15 [pat]ri
[d(ecreto)]  d(ecurionum).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
I find very interesting your idea to connect the transport of an inscription to the reorganization of the Isthmian games.<br />
Apparently the discussion you mentioned in comment 2 turns around the inscription Corinth 8,3 153, particularly for its dating around l. 1:<br />
[L(ucio) Castricio]<br />
[․ f(ilio) {²tribu}² Regulo],<br />
[aedili, praef(ecto) i(ure) d(icundo), II]vir(o) eṭ [IIvir(o)]<br />
[quinquennal(i)], ạgonothete Tiḅ-<br />
5 [ereon Caesar]eon Sebasteon et<br />
[agonothete I]sthmion et Caesar-<br />
[eon, qui Isthm]ia ad Isthmum egit<br />
[primus sub cura]m Col(oniae) Laud(is) Iul(iae) Cor(inthensis),<br />
[carmina ad Iulia]m diva[m Au]g(ustam) virgi-<br />
10 [numque certame]n insṭịṭụịṭ [e]t omnib-<br />
[us aedificiis Cae]sareon novatis co-<br />
[— — — — — — —]ṭo peregit epulumq(ue)<br />
[omnibus co]lonis dedit.<br />
[fil(ius) L(uci) Castri]c̣ius Reg̣ụlus<br />
15 [pat]ri<br />
[d(ecreto)]  d(ecurionum).
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII by Current Epigraphy &#187; Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VIII</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/31/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vii/#comment-5443</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] This is post VIII on our &#8220;Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth.&#8221; The seven previous posts may be found by following the links from here. This installment features three joining fragments of a finely prepared revetment of white marble with slightly tan accretions on the face. Fragments A (top left) and B (bottom) were found 13 April, 1935 in Area 1 of the Agora Southeast in a wall. They were later rediscovered on 7 April, 1938 in Agora South Central. Fragment C (top right) was found 9 July, 1976 in West Road Trench IV of Temple Hill. Photo, squeeze, and autopsy of joined stones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is post VIII on our &#8220;Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth.&#8221; The seven previous posts may be found by following the links from here. This installment features three joining fragments of a finely prepared revetment of white marble with slightly tan accretions on the face. Fragments A (top left) and B (bottom) were found 13 April, 1935 in Area 1 of the Agora Southeast in a wall. They were later rediscovered on 7 April, 1938 in Agora South Central. Fragment C (top right) was found 9 July, 1976 in West Road Trench IV of Temple Hill. Photo, squeeze, and autopsy of joined stones. [&#8230;]
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII by PaulIversen</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/31/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vii/#comment-5399</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I see for &lt;em&gt;IG&lt;/em&gt; VII 2413/2414 there's been quite a bit of discussion and disagreement for the date and a much better text by Roesch et alii:

See here:  http://www.escholarship.org/editions/view?docId=ft1x0nb0dk&#38;doc.view=content&#38;chunk.id=d0e26300&#38;toc.depth=1&#38;anchor.id=0&#38;brand=eschol

Obviously this inscription doesn't involve the Technitai of the Isthmos and Nemea, and if Kallet-Marx's spacing is correct, Poplios Kornelios is a few letters too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see for <em>IG</em> VII 2413/2414 there&#8217;s been quite a bit of discussion and disagreement for the date and a much better text by Roesch et alii:</p>
<p>See here:  <a href="http://www.escholarship.org/editions/view?docId=ft1&#215;0nb0dk&amp;doc.view=content&amp;chunk.id=d0e26300&amp;toc.depth=1&amp;anchor.id=0&amp;brand=eschol" rel="nofollow">http://www.escholarship.org/editions/view?docId=ft1&#215;0nb0dk&amp;doc.view=content&amp;chunk.id=d0e26300&amp;toc.depth=1&amp;anchor.id=0&amp;brand=eschol</a></p>
<p>Obviously this inscription doesn&#8217;t involve the Technitai of the Isthmos and Nemea, and if Kallet-Marx&#8217;s spacing is correct, Poplios Kornelios is a few letters too long.
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII by PaulIversen</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/31/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vii/#comment-5396</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Alexis,

I've got Le Guen on my list of books/articles to look at, for which there is a &lt;em&gt;BMCR&lt;/em&gt; review here: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2002/2002-07-16.html   I won't have access to it for a couple weeks, so it will have to wait until then.  

As for how it made its way to Korinth, I don't know.   Gebhard and Dickie (&lt;em&gt;Corinth&lt;/em&gt; XX 261-78, which I haven't seen yet either = &lt;em&gt;SEG&lt;/em&gt; 51.339) have examined the activity at Korinth and the Isthmian sanctuary of Poseidon between 146 and 44 BC, and they included Fragment A in their discussion (which apparently means they also dated it later than Kent did).  I'm hoping they can shed some light on your question.  The only thing I can say at the moment is that neither the Isthmus nor Sikyon are that far from Korinth, so it could have been transported from either site at some point, possibly when the responsibility for organizing the Isthmian games was transferred back to Korinth.  

I should also mention here that I've just run across another extremely interesting inscription that will have a bearing on the discussion: &lt;a href="http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/main?url=oi%3Fikey%3D145905%26bookid%3D13%26region%3D3%26subregion%3D6" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;IG&lt;/em&gt; VII 2414&lt;/a&gt; / &lt;a href="http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/main?url=oi%3Fikey%3D145904%26bookid%3D13%26region%3D3%26subregion%3D6" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;em&gt;IG&lt;/em&gt; VII 2413&lt;/a&gt; (I believe the two have been associated).   This inscription is interesting because it was found at Thebes, which apparently was the base of operations for the Athenian Technitai, and of course it appears that it comes from a Roman consul (στρατηγὸς ὕπατος Ῥωμαί[ων]).  Obviously I'm going to have to do some digging on this and see what others have said, but Sisenna was never a consul, and Lentulus was consul in 130.  I think this inscription may be Lentulus' ruling.  If so, then it appears he made a ruling on the Technitai of Thebes while consul in 130, not praetor in 128, and if our inscription from Korinth relates to this affair, then we may want to restore [στρατηγὸν ὕπατο]ν Ῥωμαίων at the end of line 2 and beginning of line 3 and date it to 130 along with &lt;em&gt;Syll&lt;/em&gt;. (3) 704B).  As it just so happens, I was thinking that it should be dated to 130 anyway, because line 21 of &lt;em&gt;FD&lt;/em&gt; III,2 70 talks of the first meeting to discuss the issue as being ἐπὶ Ποπ[λίου Κορν]ηλίο[υ], which when I first read I thought must refer to his consulship.  In fact when I first wrote up the post I wrote 130 BC?, chose [ὕπατο]ν as my first restoration,  but then I read Pickard-Cambridge (who follows Daux), and they  placed it in his praetorship, so I thought it safer for the moment to follow Daux/Pickard-Cambridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alexis,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got Le Guen on my list of books/articles to look at, for which there is a <em>BMCR</em> review here: <a href="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2002/2002-07-16.html" rel="nofollow">http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2002/2002-07-16.html</a>   I won&#8217;t have access to it for a couple weeks, so it will have to wait until then.  </p>
<p>As for how it made its way to Korinth, I don&#8217;t know.   Gebhard and Dickie (<em>Corinth</em> XX 261-78, which I haven&#8217;t seen yet either = <em>SEG</em> 51.339) have examined the activity at Korinth and the Isthmian sanctuary of Poseidon between 146 and 44 BC, and they included Fragment A in their discussion (which apparently means they also dated it later than Kent did).  I&#8217;m hoping they can shed some light on your question.  The only thing I can say at the moment is that neither the Isthmus nor Sikyon are that far from Korinth, so it could have been transported from either site at some point, possibly when the responsibility for organizing the Isthmian games was transferred back to Korinth.  </p>
<p>I should also mention here that I&#8217;ve just run across another extremely interesting inscription that will have a bearing on the discussion: <a href="http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/main?url=oi%3Fikey%3D145905%26bookid%3D13%26region%3D3%26subregion%3D6" rel="nofollow"><em>IG</em> VII 2414</a> / <a href="http://epigraphy.packhum.org/inscriptions/main?url=oi%3Fikey%3D145904%26bookid%3D13%26region%3D3%26subregion%3D6" rel="nofollow"><em>IG</em> VII 2413</a> (I believe the two have been associated).   This inscription is interesting because it was found at Thebes, which apparently was the base of operations for the Athenian Technitai, and of course it appears that it comes from a Roman consul (στρατηγὸς ὕπατος Ῥωμαί[ων]).  Obviously I&#8217;m going to have to do some digging on this and see what others have said, but Sisenna was never a consul, and Lentulus was consul in 130.  I think this inscription may be Lentulus&#8217; ruling.  If so, then it appears he made a ruling on the Technitai of Thebes while consul in 130, not praetor in 128, and if our inscription from Korinth relates to this affair, then we may want to restore [στρατηγὸν ὕπατο]ν Ῥωμαίων at the end of line 2 and beginning of line 3 and date it to 130 along with <em>Syll</em>. (3) 704B).  As it just so happens, I was thinking that it should be dated to 130 anyway, because line 21 of <em>FD</em> III,2 70 talks of the first meeting to discuss the issue as being ἐπὶ Ποπ[λίου Κορν]ηλίο[υ], which when I first read I thought must refer to his consulship.  In fact when I first wrote up the post I wrote 130 BC?, chose [ὕπατο]ν as my first restoration,  but then I read Pickard-Cambridge (who follows Daux), and they  placed it in his praetorship, so I thought it safer for the moment to follow Daux/Pickard-Cambridge.
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII by A. D'Hautcourt</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/31/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vii/#comment-5395</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you Paul for showing us another interesting document.
Is Brigitte Le Guen, Les associations de Technites dionysiaques à l'époque hellénistique (Nancy, 2001) any help ?

Do you have any idea how this inscription made its way to Corinth, if it refers to the dispute of 134-112 BC ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Paul for showing us another interesting document.<br />
Is Brigitte Le Guen, Les associations de Technites dionysiaques à l&#8217;époque hellénistique (Nancy, 2001) any help ?</p>
<p>Do you have any idea how this inscription made its way to Corinth, if it refers to the dispute of 134-112 BC ?
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VI by Current Epigraphy &#187; Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VII</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/25/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vi/#comment-5378</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] This is posting VII of our &#8220;Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth.&#8221; The previous six may be found by following the links from here. This post features three fragments of grayish marble all broken on the backside, two of which have not been published. Fragment A was found in September, 1937 in Shop XXVII of the South Stoa and preserves the left edge of the inscription (margin of 0.027 m.) but is broken elsewhere. Fragment B was found 8 July, 1976 in Quarry Trench 9 of the Temple Hill and preserves the right edge (margin of 0.025 m.) but is broken on the other sides. Fragment C was found 12 August, 1974 in Quarry Trench 4 of the Temple Hill and while broken on all sides preserves an un-inscribed surface of 0.013 to 0.016 m. below and thus appears to be the last line, or at least near the very end. The planes of fracture produce thinner fragments to the right and below. The inscribed surface of all three fragments has been dressed with a multi-toothed chisel of at least three or four teeth. The pattern of chisel marks is regularly vertical on Fragment A, but becomes increasingly disorganized to the right. Fragments B and C show this greater irregularity. The letter forms and spacing are very similar, and the stone itself seems to be of identical quality leaving little doubt that these pieces belong together. Photos, squeezes, and autopsy of stones. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is posting VII of our &#8220;Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth.&#8221; The previous six may be found by following the links from here. This post features three fragments of grayish marble all broken on the backside, two of which have not been published. Fragment A was found in September, 1937 in Shop XXVII of the South Stoa and preserves the left edge of the inscription (margin of 0.027 m.) but is broken elsewhere. Fragment B was found 8 July, 1976 in Quarry Trench 9 of the Temple Hill and preserves the right edge (margin of 0.025 m.) but is broken on the other sides. Fragment C was found 12 August, 1974 in Quarry Trench 4 of the Temple Hill and while broken on all sides preserves an un-inscribed surface of 0.013 to 0.016 m. below and thus appears to be the last line, or at least near the very end. The planes of fracture produce thinner fragments to the right and below. The inscribed surface of all three fragments has been dressed with a multi-toothed chisel of at least three or four teeth. The pattern of chisel marks is regularly vertical on Fragment A, but becomes increasingly disorganized to the right. Fragments B and C show this greater irregularity. The letter forms and spacing are very similar, and the stone itself seems to be of identical quality leaving little doubt that these pieces belong together. Photos, squeezes, and autopsy of stones. [&#8230;]
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		<title>Comment on Corpus of Attic Vase Inscriptions online by Henry Immerwahr</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/03/02/corpus-of-attic-vase-inscriptions-online/#comment-5359</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry I had not noticed the comments on my CAVI earlier. CAVI is not subject to licensing. Anyone can copy it. It is not finished enough to be licensed.
At present it is located on the website that has my e-mail, an unsatisfactory situation. Negotiations are in progress to find a more secure location. What its status will be after Wachter produces his improved version is unclear. My main reason for putting it out quickly was the fact that its item numbers have been cited in a number of articles, both by me and by others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I had not noticed the comments on my CAVI earlier. CAVI is not subject to licensing. Anyone can copy it. It is not finished enough to be licensed.<br />
At present it is located on the website that has my e-mail, an unsatisfactory situation. Negotiations are in progress to find a more secure location. What its status will be after Wachter produces his improved version is unclear. My main reason for putting it out quickly was the fact that its item numbers have been cited in a number of articles, both by me and by others
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth III by A. D'Hautcourt</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/06/24/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-iii/#comment-5327</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A search with "prob" and "praedes" on EDCS (http://www.manfredclauss.de/gb/index.html) gives only 4 inscriptions: CIL I 583 from Rome, the Lex Coloniae Genetivae Ursonensis, the Lex from Irni and a text from Pozzuoli.
If pr]aedes is correct, Robinson might have been right after all and this inscription mention a (colonial?) law.
In this case, I do not know what to do with all the names.
If there was a law, is erun[t possible in B 4 ?

The figure LXII which is also in the Lex Coloniae Genetivae Ursonensis (in a different context, it seems) shows the limited value of parallels for such a fragmentary inscription.
Having said that, it remains a fascinating document. Thank you Paul for allowing us to comment on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A search with &#8220;prob&#8221; and &#8220;praedes&#8221; on EDCS (http://www.manfredclauss.de/gb/index.html) gives only 4 inscriptions: CIL I 583 from Rome, the Lex Coloniae Genetivae Ursonensis, the Lex from Irni and a text from Pozzuoli.<br />
If pr]aedes is correct, Robinson might have been right after all and this inscription mention a (colonial?) law.<br />
In this case, I do not know what to do with all the names.<br />
If there was a law, is erun[t possible in B 4 ?</p>
<p>The figure LXII which is also in the Lex Coloniae Genetivae Ursonensis (in a different context, it seems) shows the limited value of parallels for such a fragmentary inscription.<br />
Having said that, it remains a fascinating document. Thank you Paul for allowing us to comment on it.
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VI by PaulIversen</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/25/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vi/#comment-5319</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Taking K. Rigsby's observations into account, we might better restore line three as:

καὶ αἱ δεδομέναι̣ [τιμαὶ τῶι τε δήμωι αὐτῶν καὶ τοῖς δικασ]-
ταῖς καὶ γραμματε̣[ῖ ἐπιφανέστεραι πᾶσιν ὦσιν, καὶ ἐν ἀ]-
ναγραφῆι...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking K. Rigsby&#8217;s observations into account, we might better restore line three as:</p>
<p>καὶ αἱ δεδομέναι̣ [τιμαὶ τῶι τε δήμωι αὐτῶν καὶ τοῖς δικασ]-<br />
ταῖς καὶ γραμματε̣[ῖ ἐπιφανέστεραι πᾶσιν ὦσιν, καὶ ἐν ἀ]-<br />
ναγραφῆι&#8230;
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		<title>Comment on Virtual Seminar on Some Unpublished Inscriptions from Corinth VI by PaulIversen</title>
		<link>http://www.currentepigraphy.org/2008/07/25/virtual-seminar-on-some-unpublished-inscriptions-from-corinth-vi/#comment-5317</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, I think you're right.  Thanks for pointing this out (which of course also means the bit about the most visible part of the city has nothing to do with Korinth or Tempple Hill).  If of foreign origin the list of known cities with probouloi is quite short.  Kerkyra can probably be ruled out because it doesn't seem to have employed the koine at this time.

The other possibility is that this really isn't of foreign origin and the Korinthians were honoring foreign judges.  Unfortunately the decrees of Korinth are so few, that it's difficult to know whether the koine absolutely means foreign engraving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think you&#8217;re right.  Thanks for pointing this out (which of course also means the bit about the most visible part of the city has nothing to do with Korinth or Tempple Hill).  If of foreign origin the list of known cities with probouloi is quite short.  Kerkyra can probably be ruled out because it doesn&#8217;t seem to have employed the koine at this time.</p>
<p>The other possibility is that this really isn&#8217;t of foreign origin and the Korinthians were honoring foreign judges.  Unfortunately the decrees of Korinth are so few, that it&#8217;s difficult to know whether the koine absolutely means foreign engraving.
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